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How I Mine 4 Fish?  Posts: 94 Joined: 24 Jun 2008     | |
Apprentice  Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Feb 2009  | I had to sign up because this is funny. I love fanboys, I really do..but for god sakes please stop defending crap from companies that want your money for a product. Ive played to many games....from AC darktide till now, i have more games sitting on these shelves then gamestop. AOC should have been a big awakening...unless you like guildwars, doh. I know some of you want mass people to play, at least till youve had enough, but if the beans are burnt stop trying to sell me that shit please. You want me to buy a game that cant get off the ground? as if they dont have a guess as to what they need at launch? You want me to buy another game that has no forum up, like its news as to why its not up? You want me to buy a game because youve waited your whole life for it, and you need it more than water? You guys are part of the problem, see if its shit please say its shit, use your mind not your addiction. Some people use common sense, they think about history and what it shows, and they make a educated decision. Some of you would go get a house for 400k just because a bank will loan it, then when it gets forclosed on blame it on the bank for the loan. Im tired of people defending crap companies and coming up with crap excuses for them. |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 94 Joined: 24 Jun 2008 |
I don't think that's the case. It's probably truer to say that different people have different tastes in games. People who hate WoW type games don't understand how people can love those type of games. People who hate EVE/UO type games don't understand how people can love those games. You can probably see a lot of that in this thread. There are people here who wouldn't dream of playing Darkfall who don't understand how other people can like the game. It seems to get them worked up too. It's like EVE or WoW - people either love or hate those games, depending on their personal preferences. |
WarCry Choice  Posts: 4759 Joined: 6 Dec 2004     | The point still stands that 99% of the god awful MMOs released in 2008 (most of which are in the process of dying) had a better launch than Darkfall. The darkfall devs just have no idea what they've gotten themselves into, they'll leak money trying to fix all the issues fast and ultimately disappoint their investors. It's AOC all over again. I |
Apprentice Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Feb 2009 | No you misunderstand, ive always driven towards pvp games. The point is understand business.See if you have understood past marketing in games you could see whats happening here. Companies dont use actual numbers that are in beta etc to show how many playes there are, they use registered users, for example warhammer. AOc went as far as to decieve the public on preordering their game only later to say its limited how many of those people actually get into the early access. these companies are trying to get up front money from you and I to pay for their project. The truth is they know roughly the amount of people who are going to play their game from early access on. These fly by night companies dont have the funds of a company like Blizzard who can make a game without any investors at all. Blizzard made WoW and if you bought early access you got early access, they even went so far as to ship extra quantities based on the quality of the game. Since the bulk of money is based on bandwith, fly by night companies do a pay as they go approach, in the history of gaming this doesnt work. And this games biggest mistake was not having a good launch. The reason is simple, which games in the past have not opened in the U.S first? If the game turns into crap then the U.S base wont play. Typically any game with a rough launch doesnt make it, but to open over seas first shows not only no backers but no money. Then the company pulls theole forums are down. This isnt the first time this has happened. Why have them up if you will hear negative feedback. The only feedback you have heard has been from a rep tellng of the positives. How many games have had all positive feedback? |
Apprentice Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Feb 2009 | They are trying to get you to pay the 60 bucks for the game, even if you dont like it. there is a good book out on gaming companies that explaing marketing stunts and how they work. but even if you never read it look at past companies and see what some of done. Aoc and Warhammer are new trends in bad business, and they arent doing great because of it, but because they got many to buy the retail version they arent bankrupt.You only hear what they tell you, and even if you play beta, your playing in a controlled environment, or why else would the game be down now. Seems odd to me but hey who am I, just a guy that was looking forward to reading the forums to see how its running only to find no eta and no forums. Ive seen this shit to much lately and ive seen what happens next, truth is you can fool some people sometimes but you arent going to keep fooling people all of the time. And it doesnt matter if how much you defend it. Hell a friend still defends AOC yet they just implemented some of the promised launch data, and servers are merging because they are barren. Me im not buying it anymore, give me what you promised when you promised it or im not buying your product, its simple and its honest, no bs involved. And i know yes i know, there are people waiting like cattle to get in, oblivous to anything they have said, and will defend them till they die, without pay. And its on all games no matter how bad the failure. At least till they leave it for the next big thing, then you will find them there, defending it to. |
Apprentice Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Feb 2009 | Yes mr cheese, exactly. But why arent people getting it. To many people believe the hype i guess, and dont question why. |
Master Looter  Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009   |
sorry about the extra-long quote, just dont want to go back and delete the unimportant stuff. about the forums, what you said is a lie. I have been trying to register on them since a week before their "launch", and it always re-directed back to news, and even if it was traffic, it wouldn't re-direct, it would say page not available. ANYONE with some knowledge of the internet would know this. i had high hopes for darkfall, i really did, infact i was once one of the zealots that someone commented about. but just by how this launch blew up not in air, but before it even rolled out of the hangar is starting to make me doubt this game is even worth the wait. The devs could of predicted this would happen, and even 10,000 players on ONE server should be no-problem, but i fear the worst if every server will only be able to hold that many. Darkfall took years to make, this shouldn't of happened at all just by common sense. Hopefully they will realize the problems of letting only pre-orders play and let the rest of the world have a chance. Do it because you can, and never regret it! |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 94 Joined: 24 Jun 2008 |
A couple of days after launch and people are predicting 'doom', even though they have not played the game. The servers are up btw, and have been up all morning. |
Master Looter Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009 |
until im ABLE to play the game, i can predict anything i want. Sure i would like to be able to see how much it would cost to play it, i would even man up and say i was wrong, but tell me if you can spot a "Buy Now" button anywhere on their main page. See if you can register a new name for the forums. honestly, i will be surprised if this game doesnt have a dramatic change within a few months of launch just to make up the money they could of made just by having a D2D or something similar on their main page. Guess the money i was saving for it will have to go to something else. Do it because you can, and never regret it! |
Master Looter Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009 |
The game had nothing BUT hype when they finally gave a launch day, even then they pushed that back so they could do more testing. All the public had was a few videos, pictures, and Developer talk. Even when they released Beta Tester comments you could see the bias in the wording. Funcom learned from its mistakes later on by cutting server numbers down and by making the game a little bit more user friendly [although it could of changed, i canceled my account after i got bored of the pvp]. Even the Tasos, you know, one of the guys working there, stated it was only the pre-ordered players fault for how it is right now. since they cant even take claim for what is a problem caused by their company, im losing faith more and more in this game. Do it because you can, and never regret it! |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 94 Joined: 24 Jun 2008 |
They're having a limited launch where they're only offering X-number of copies a day. You didn't manage to get a copy before the limited number sold out. Boo hoo. You'll have to wait until they offer more. |
Master Looter Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009 |
you know, this is the only game i know of that did a limited release. As far as i know, WoW didnt have one, nor did AO or UO. [im not even a big WoW fan to be honest] This still doesnt change the fact that their forums need to be unlocked and they need a way for people to see the subscription rates ATLEAST just to see how much it is going to cost on a monthly basis. They SHOULD of had more knowledge of their server capacity, they should of had a back-up plan and a back-up plan to the first one. before you say "its only because yr not in the game" again, im checking out their "affiliate forums" since they cant get theirs to work, and 90% of everyone that is in game is complaining aswell, not just at bugs and exploits, but of general lag. now, put this into perspective [im going to use WoW again because that is the only MMORPG that i know of with a huge user base online at any given point] WoW has, what, 20-30 servers total? now look at the ones that are almost always filled to capacity, that is over 10k EASY, look at EVE online, they only have one server and it works good aswell, you would think with more than 7 years into development they would of thought this through and had plans for the "what-If's" that became reality. "its thier first game" yea, but then look at all the other games they could of taken a hint from, as stated in another forum, they should just sell all of the game and distribution rights to either Blizzard or EA, i would even accept SoE as being the owner of it, atleast they will tell you the truth when they mess up a game. Do it because you can, and never regret it! |
Apprentice Posts: 1 Joined: 28 Feb 2009  |
Actualy WoW did have a limited release!. If you remember correctly they only originaly shipped a certian number of copies and it took at min a week for stores to get more copies in. That being said it was a larger limited release then darkfall but still limited none the less. |
Master Looter Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009 |
then i am proven wrong in that argument. but the point is they should of alteast expected more than 10 or so thousand players the first day, and if not, atleast kept the option of talking in the forums [current conspiracy theory suggests they are worried about posts proclaiming the flaws of the game so far] Do it because you can, and never regret it! |
WarCry Choice  Posts: 7365 Joined: 31 Aug 2003   |
By your (ridiculous) logic, every game has a limited release, but they usually print out several hundred thousand or millions of discs, instead of the paltry number of players they are letting into Darkfall. That's not really choosing to be a limited release, that's a matter of how many game discs they can make in the time they have. Darkfall is choosing to release this way. Locked forums is purely damage control IMO. If the server is getting bogged down, you get a bigger server.
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Adventurer Posts: 482 Joined: 7 Mar 2008   |
Smartest post in this topic |
Looking For Group  Posts: 108 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
I'm speculating? It's right there on their main page. AoC locked their forums too, look where that game is at. Complete ignorance because I wasn't in beta? I posted on here about 2 weeks prior to launch when sitting at a friend's house playing/watching him play beta - and I said it was nice. However, we barely saw any other players in-game, and now that a flood have been let in, it's been a mess. The server has been down constantly, and those of us who want to get in who weren't in beta cannot. Also, some folks who pre-ordered cannot get in the game they've paid for. Exactly how is that not a clusterfuck again? The latest 5 news posts have been about game-breaking issues, and constant downtime on the servers. I rest my case. //EDIT - Of course I'm speculating about how many people were in beta, as are you. So I really don't see your point there. It's not like I said beta only had 1,000, I clearly said PROBABLY. And probably is correct, because look at where we are right now. Realistically when more people entered, it's been a nightmare. |
Apprentice Posts: 1 Joined: 28 Feb 2009 | I am holding judgement on Darkfall until I actually get to try it out...As for the amount of people making AoC comparisons, have you played lately? The damn queuing for mobs on the 2 old servers, and the new players subbing / returning on the new servers shows that though people drift away after a bad launch, provided they see potential in the game, they will return. The same is going for Warhammer. Plenty of returnees / new subbers there, extra points for guessing which game most of them come from! |
Looking For Group Posts: 108 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
Not having enough PHYSICAL COPIES in a store vs not allowing more than a certain number of people to download a digital download which is unlimited is a very substantial difference. The fact you made this comparison is laughable. |
How I Mine 4 Fish? Posts: 94 Joined: 24 Jun 2008 |
It's been up all day. http://www.eu1.darkfallonline.com/news/ The above is the page that the lobby displays.
That's because it's a limited launch.
They're in now, and they got 3 free days. And judging by the posts over at mmorpg.com it looks like the problems are resolved.
It's a mmorpg launch. Show me where it is written that mmorpg's launch smoothly and problem free. They don't. Every single mmorpg launch has bumps. At least with a limited launch a minimal number of people will be adversely affected before the launch kinks are smoothed out. Unlike Vanguard or AoC.
Game breaking? The sync issues are a looooooong way from 'game breaking', as I have already explained a number of times.
They've been up all day. Constantly.
You wouldn't make it as a solicitor with such a flimsy case. |
Looking For Group Posts: 108 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
90% of yesterday and the day before the servers were down, according to everyone at 2 different forums, and Tasos himself. Sync issues (IE, players not being able to properly PvP in a PvP-oriented game) is pretty groundbreaking. Locking forums to keep people from posting and having to post their negative comments over on MMORPG and then be judged as people not playing the game or "not being in beta" is ridiculous. And furthermore, an open beta would have alleviated most, if not all, of the issues people are paying for them to fix right now. But I'm not going to argue with you, I've had these arguments before and neither side will ever agree, so have fun on Darkfall. |
Dungeon Crawler  Posts: 741 Joined: 28 Jul 2004    | I am basing my opinion of the game on over 26 years of gaming experience. I have played games at release when some of you were not even born yet. The MMO's of 2008 were terrible to say the least and they had VERY deep pockets(which is why they are surviving, in one form or another). The fact is, this game has too many issues and not enough money. It will fail. |
Master Looter  Posts: 2652 Joined: 20 Jul 2008     | The launch was practically non-existent on the net as well. Only a few sites have mentioned it's launch.
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Master Looter Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009 |
The limited release is what is killing Darkfall, already the old WoW clan that my co-worker is in decided to go back, along with 20 other clans and judging by the posts at forums.darkfallonline.com looks like you are wrong, as 90% of all posts are something wrong with the game. even people from beta are complaining about it, i hate to repeat myself, but Adventurine could of predicted this would happen, thats why ALMOST all games have an open beta period before release like Chaosloc said. Best bet for everyone to play this game, AV shuts down and let a REAL developer work on it. Do it because you can, and never regret it! |
Master Looter Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009 |
Warhammer is still doing okay? last time i was there i never saw anyone in the game Do it because you can, and never regret it! |
WarCry Choice Posts: 7365 Joined: 31 Aug 2003 |
They've got over 300,000 players, I'd say they're doing fine.
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Looking For Group Posts: 108 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
^ This. Almost every post from a beta tester outside the ones who obviously used exploits are asking for a full server wipe. But the game is absolutely, without a doubt, 100% stable. |
Master Looter Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009 |
i think i saw four players total when i was playing humans [i liked witch hunters, sue me.] I guess everyone was busy being orks or dwarfs... Do it because you can, and never regret it! |
Apprentice Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Feb 2009 | Fact: This company is starting a timed release to pay for bandwith as they need it(pretty much we have no money to fork out for alot so we will stage it.) Fact: A company turns off its forum for one reason, so players who are checking it out wont hear the complaints from players. Fact: most games with a bad start fail within 3 months tops. Fact: Guys who defend the game arent going to stop a game from failing( so start looking for a new game). Honestly i think more and more people are losing faith in online gaming companies, they have a way of wording things to mislead people without defrauding them. Then you have to check yes on a lenghty protection agreement that leaves you no rights at all. People need to educate themselves on more then just playing the game, but also business practices. AOC started a new fad with how early access works. Gaming companies know that they are arent going to get a clear picture of player base until close to end of development. To pad their investment they are misleading people into buying their product without being able to see much of the game or whether it will be very playable, however if they sell x copies, even if people dont play it over 60 days they are sstill staying afloat( your paying 60-80 dollars for somehting it took ten bucks for them to make, cd booklet,artwork,packaging-massproduced) |
WarCry Choice Posts: 7365 Joined: 31 Aug 2003 |
You said fact a lot. Fact.
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Web Developer  Posts: 2696 Joined: 12 Nov 2002     |
The game is a MMO. To help you out that means Massive Multiplayer Online game. When they launch a game that cannot handle 10,000 users, only have 1 server, have to allow the number of copies released each day (which probably is based on the number of copies that are canceled each day) they are not an MMO. I have played the game in beta up to release. The game is not stable, not full of content, not fun, and most importantly not going to get a single dime of my money. I have donated enough money to games that fail. This game is an EPIC FAIL and will not survive the year. In fact, this game makes me want to resub to Vanguard. Delmar Wynn"Anyone who thinks the sky is the limit, has limited imagination." - Anonymous Let's play some football: http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=14792821 |
WarCry Choice  Posts: 2253 Joined: 5 Jan 2007  |
Ouchies. |
WarCry Choice  Posts: 88 Joined: 22 Jul 2005    | I quit the beta....
QFT |
Web Developer Posts: 2696 Joined: 12 Nov 2002 |
It isn't even that they are restricting the download, they are controlling the number of users onto THE server. I think Kalia's NWN2 module can handle more simultaneous users than Darkfall. Delmar Wynn"Anyone who thinks the sky is the limit, has limited imagination." - Anonymous Let's play some football: http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=14792821 |
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You speaking from a position of complete ignorance. You're not in the game to see what it is really like and you were not in the beta either.
Again you're just speculating.