I just found this this morning. Someone wrote in to an editor who visited DF back in 2006. they posted her email replies about DF.. she says that DF is self funded by the developers and the current screenshots and engine look similar to what she saw when she was there in 2006. And that they may have funding problems now and that they might end up never releasing it.
a few people emailed her and she confirmed the emails posted are real and from her.
This project is self owned and self invested in by the core developers and producers themselves, they are dedicated and hopefully motivated to finishing this project, but they are amateur's and have been WAY to ambitious about what they say they can achieve and have never been truthful about their constant failures so far.
The majority of the people who can't accept this are the clique of guild members and PvP fanatics (like Muffins) that have been seduced and cynically manipulated for years by the developers with whom they think they have a "special relationship" with "because they are PvP gamers like us, and there just making the game they want, just like we want bla bla bla etc etc etc etc."
These are the majority of the people who attack anyone who asks legitimate questions about this project, and these are the people who have helped tarnish this game and its company's reputation and credibility, and these are the people who seem most likely to get invited to visit their offices (strangely enough) , and these are the people I presume who will be invited to "beta test" this game first, like the previous guild beta that never happened.
I hope they now have something alot more substantial to launch with in under 6 months away from a commercial launch.
That post is about as credible as President Bush saying there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
Let alone the fact that its old and chewed out already, its also being used by fanbois as proof of the exsistence of the game even. As with almost every news about Darkfall, it can go either way
Secondly, I'd have to get a response from the quoted reporter to verify. However, since she's admitted to NOT following the game, it's possible that she's not utterly in the know.
Either way, it's an interesting take on things and not terribly surprising given the state of things right now with DF.
My philosophy: If it happens, great! If it doesn't, oh well! I don't believe in investing a lifetime of thought to it. LOL!
what about it? It just goes on to confirm that she verified those emails are her own words when people emailed her and asked.
Zorvan 7/08/08 6:36:51 PM #26
Hard Core Member Joined: 10/02/06 Posts: 5918 I'd like to be the first to apologize, Freemason. I recieved a reply from her in regards to my e-mail inquiry substantiating your claims.
That post is about as credible as President Bush saying there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
Are you still living in the dream world Tasos has built Nightfreak? I thought you moved out of there already.
Not credible? Are you joking? She went there , talked to them for about 4 hours , saw the game , took pictures of the office space. Her words are as credible as you are EVER going to get at this point about Darkfall.
Darkfall is 100% without a doubt self funded and that's exactly the reason why nothing ever happens with it and nothing great ever will.
They also do not have "professional testers" like they claim. They are regular people from local places.
Tasos has been spinning his half-truths for god knows how many years now and intentionally letting the fanbase spread all kinds of BS but the truth is finally coming out. I'am still waiting for that new video he promised to deliver in the next few weeks over 5 weeks ago. I'am sure you are to.
Aventurine is on it's last legs. They have nothing but hype and are running out of time. This year when DF doesn't launch will prove that.
Its just that, its pretty much her word, against tasos.
Im definitly not saying its not true, just that i've seen that thread before used for fans to make there points too. And it doesnt change the fact that its unsure if darkfall will ever be released and like Kalia said, not terribly surprising.
No need to shout fanboy fanboy if someone has a different view on things btw, only makes you look like another teedle alt
I haven't really been keeping up with the latest content, but as far as the graphics engine goes, it looks similar to the screenshots that are currently on their site.
I would fully expect the graphics from a game, any game, to appear similar a year or two down the road.
I mean, the graphics in WoW are similar now to when they were in the closed beta.
and since they are self-funded, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes them a long time to get the game out (or on the flipside, if they end up never being content enough to launch it).
Being self funded isn't new information, or unusual for independent developers. They haven't had money from publishers to develop the game, yet they have done so for many years now. Had they taken publisher cash they wouldn't be independent. Money doesn't seem to be a problem for them.
If you read that last quote I think the reporter is commenting on Aventurine's freedom to develop the game without a publisher setting goals or objective dates, rather than a concern about money.
muffins: To quote from the email (assuming it's real)
I haven't really been keeping up with the latest content, but as far as the graphics engine goes, it looks similar to the screenshots that are currently on their site.
I would fully expect the graphics from a game, any game, to appear similar a year or two down the road.
I mean, the graphics in WoW are similar now to when they were in the closed beta.
and since they are self-funded, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes them a long time to get the game out (or on the flipside, if they end up never being content enough to launch it).
Being self funded isn't new information, or unusual for independent developers. They haven't had money from publishers to develop the game, yet they have done so for many years now. Had they taken publisher cash they wouldn't be independent. Money doesn't seem to be a problem for them.
If you read that last quote I think the reporter is commenting on Aventurine's freedom to develop the game without a publisher setting goals or objective dates, rather than a concern about money.
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QFT
Ps any game in dev might not release. AOc shouldnt have. most mmos shouldnt. I think reality is goign to hit these trolls in the face.
wyldesight: doesn't look that great for DF online. ;o(
I just found this this morning. Someone wrote in to an editor who visited DF back in 2006. they posted her email replies about DF.. she says that DF is self funded by the developers and the current screenshots and engine look similar to what she saw when she was there in 2006. And that they may have funding problems now and that they might end up never releasing it.
a few people emailed her and she confirmed the emails posted are real and from her.
This project is self owned and self invested in by the core developers and producers themselves, they are dedicated and hopefully motivated to finishing this project, but they are amateur's and have been WAY to ambitious about what they say they can achieve and have never been truthful about their constant failures so far.
The majority of the people who can't accept this are the clique of guild members and PvP fanatics (like Muffins) that have been seduced and cynically manipulated for years by the developers with whom they think they have a "special relationship" with "because they are PvP gamers like us, and there just making the game they want, just like we want bla bla bla etc etc etc etc."
These are the majority of the people who attack anyone who asks legitimate questions about this project, and these are the people who have helped tarnish this game and its company's reputation and credibility, and these are the people who seem most likely to get invited to visit their offices (strangely enough) , and these are the people I presume who will be invited to "beta test" this game first, like the previous guild beta that never happened.
I hope they now have something alot more substantial to launch with in under 6 months away from a commercial launch.
RiverMaster: doesn't look that great for DF online. ;o(
I just found this this morning. Someone wrote in to an editor who visited DF back in 2006. they posted her email replies about DF.. she says that DF is self funded by it's own developers and the current screenshots and engine look similar to what she saw when she was there in 2006. And that they may have funding problems now because of all the years of self funding and may end up never releasing it at all....
a few people emailed her and she confirmed the emails posted are real and from her.
This project is self owned and self invested in by the core developers and producers themselves, they are dedicated and hopefully motivated to finishing this project, but they are amateur's and have been WAY to ambitious about what they say they can achieve and have never been truthful about their constant failures so far.
The majority of the people who can't accept this are the clique of guild members and PvP fanatics that have been seduced and cynically manipulated for years by the developers with whom they think they have a "special relationship" with "because they are PvP gamers like us, and there just making the game they want, just like we want etc etc etc etc."
These are the majority of the people who attack anyone who asks legitimate questions about this project, and these are the people who have helped tarnish this game and its company's reputation and credibility, and these are the people who seem most likely to get invited to visit their offices (strangely enough) , and these are the people I presume who will be invited to "beta test" this game first, like the previous guild beta that never happened.
I hope they now have something alot more substantial to launch with in under 6 months.
Found RiverMaster's post on the OFFICIAL Darkfall forums (look familiar?), and it raises and interesting question: Why are you so set on making people think this game is vaporware? All you are going to do is either a) start an argument, or b) give the game a bad reputation. Are you being paid or something? Christ, just shut up, teedle.
yamisniper - the only people that are going to be doing alot of laughing this year are all the naysayers when DF misses yet another launch date.
If you read that last quote I think the reporter is commenting on Aventurine's freedom to develop the game without a publisher setting goals or objective dates, rather than a concern about money.
It looks to me like you only read what you want to because she clearly said:
But it's been several years now... and self-funding for that long is going to take a toll.
These are the words of an unbiased person with common sense who was actually there. That's why her words are so much more credible than any dev's or fanboys or trolls.
Either way , the fact of the matter is that DF won't launch this year. Even the most dedicated fan can see that. Which just brings up the question - WHY did Tasos say it will?
Was it because he really believed it would? which would just show his complete lack of experience and knowledge in his own game and what is required to launch a MMORPG. Or was it another blatant lie told just to string along the fanbase some more with false hope?
Either one is no good.
The writing is so clear on the wall.. amazing that some people still choose to look the other way.
wyldesight: yamisniper - the only people that are going to be doing alot of laughing this year are all the naysayers when DF misses yet another launch date.
muffins: If you read that last quote I think the reporter is commenting on Aventurine's freedom to develop the game without a publisher setting goals or objective dates, rather than a concern about money.
It looks to me like you only read what you want to because she clearly said:
But it's been several years now... and self-funding for that long is going to take a toll.
Strange ... that's nowhere in the email in the link ...
A reminder -
I spent somewhere in the tune of 4 hours talking to the devs, and maybe 30 minutes actually looking at the engine. So, I didn't get to see a lot of the complexities of the engine in action, just the combat, some of the zones and the mounts. I haven't really been keeping up with the latest content, but as far as the graphics engine goes, it looks similar to the screenshots that are currently on their site.
Why do you ask? I can assure you that after having seen a team of guys at computers working on in-game models and coding, as well as seeing someone ride around in the engine and chop off a few heads, it's not vaporware. They're paying for that office in Athens and that's not cheap. It's not like a few guys in a garage blowing smoke-- it's very much a studio.
The Darkfall guys are almost obsessively dedicated to making what they consider to be the perfect game, and since they are self-funded, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes them a long time to get the game out (or on the flipside, if they end up never being content enough to launch it). Although I can't imagine anyone would fund years of MMO development without ever launching... that would be a massive amount of wasted money in salaries and rent.
I'm not sure what their status is today, but when I interviewed them they certainly had a burn rate and were going full speed ahead. Seeing as how I don't see much updated on their site, and the fact that the news isn't updated frequently (although they did make a post in June), it's quite possible the funding issue bit them in the butt and they had to slow down. I got the impression that the founder had money from a previous venture though-- he claimed to have enough to pay for the development without a publisher if they couldn't find one that was "hands off" enough.
But it's been several years now... and self-funding for that long is going to take a toll. Who knows, I'm just speculating.
I'm not sure what their status is today, but when I interviewed them they certainly had a burn rate and were going full speed ahead. Seeing as how I don't see much updated on their site, and the fact that the news isn't updated frequently (although they did make a post in June), it's quite possible the funding issue bit them in the butt and they had to slow down. I got the impression that the founder had money from a previous venture though-- he claimed to have enough to pay for the development without a publisher if they couldn't find one that was "hands off" enough.
But it's been several years now... and self-funding for that long is going to take a toll. Who knows, I'm just speculating.
MMORPG.com lets people edit their posts a looooong time after they posted them and what was in the above quote was not in the original post. Freemasons tried to back up his claim by posting a screenshot of the email.
I also notice that the pic Friction2u's post, where he quoted Fremasons, is now a broken link so I'm suspecting that someone is editing their posts and links to suit the moment.
It was not edited or changed. Are you seriously that screwed in the head that you need to now make stuff up and concoct lame excuses to try and make DF look better? The emails posted there are 100% genuine and unaltered. Just accept it.
Why don't you ask Freemasons to post a screenshot of that original unedited email? Or even forward you that original email.
I also notice that the pic Friction2u's post, where he quoted Fremasons, is now a broken link
Because Freemasons edited out the EMAIL address of her in the screenshot and uploaded a new screenshot of it because the editor wanted her email address removed. That's why Frictions link is a broken link. Because Frictions still links back to the original screenshot that was deleted that had the editors email still visible on it.
The mods even edited out her email in the other quoted replies.
But I'am done arguin with you because you won't believe or listen to anything except "DARKFALL IS AMAZING".
I'll just let you wait and see the reality of DF. Just like everyone who followed Dark and Light ended up seeing..
wyldesight: It was not edited or changed. Are you seriously that screwed in the head that you need to now make stuff up and concoct lame excuses to try and make DF look better? The emails posted there are 100% genuine and unaltered. Just accept it.
Why don't you ask Freemasons to post a screenshot of that original unedited email? Or even forward you that original email.
When Freemasons posted that pic as evidence of the email then why did he leave out the alleged part of the email that you posted? Also, why was that left out part in a separate post?
It seems to me the second post was edited at a later time to include things that were not in the original email as seen in the 'proof' screen shot.
But I'am done arguin with you because you won't believe or listen to anything except "DARKFALL IS AMAZING".
Darkfall is amazing, and no amount of dodgy or suspicious 'evidence' is going to change any fan's mind about that.
What a complete failure Razorwax was, 150 thousand dollars of loans, never made a profit, constant auditing problems, auditor notes "illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager" twice and it was finally declared insolvent by court and declared bankrupt in late 2006.
It would seem Razorwax never merged with Aventurine and people like Claus Grovdal, Ricki Sikenger, Anastasias "Tasos" Flampouras, Kjetil Helland, Erik Johansen have continued to be involved in, and/or own Razorwax as some form of Online gambling or bingo service company.
wyldesight: Oh and P.S -- I bet you didn't know that Razorwax actually went Bankrupt in 2006.
Maybe they did ... maybe they didn't. It hardly matters when all the developers and the game hopped into Aventurine back in 2002, making Razorwax defunct anyway.
Interestingly, for an alleged 'bankrupt' company they seem to have no problem keeping their old site up.
If you're ready to read some real info for a change. Not the stuff your spoon fed by the devs:
What a complete failure Razorwax was, 150 thousand dollars of loans, never made a profit, constant auditing problems, auditor notes "illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager" twice and it was finally declared insolvent by court and declared bankrupt in late 2006.
Nowhere does it say that in the links. That was made up.
2006 Presisering: Årsoppgjøret is not made within the legal time limit. (Source: Auditor)
2005 Presisering: Illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other (Source: Auditor)
Presisering: Årsoppgjøret is not made within the legal time limit. (Source: Auditor)
2003 Presisering: Illegal loans to shareholder, the general manager, board member or other (Source: Auditor)
Check the announcements tab and you can see multiple auditing problems, changes of address, changes of directors, changes of board members etc.
You just can't let go can you? So which one of the Darkfall dev failures are you?
Maybe they did ..
No correction. It is not "maybe they did". It is "THEY DID GO BANKRUPT". Proof positive.
It hardly matters when all the developers and the game hopped into Aventurine back in 2002, making Razorwax defunct anyway.
It would seem Razorwax never merged with Aventurine and people like Claus Grovdal, Ricki Sikenger, Anastasias "Tasos" Flampouras, Kjetil Helland, Erik Johansen have continued to be involved in, and/or own Razorwax as some form of Online gambling or bingo service company.
wyldesight: doesn't look that great for DF online. ;o(
I just found this this morning. Someone wrote in to an editor who visited DF back in 2006. they posted her email replies about DF.. she says that DF is self funded by the developers and the current screenshots and engine look similar to what she saw when she was there in 2006. And that they may have funding problems now and that they might end up never releasing it.
a few people emailed her and she confirmed the emails posted are real and from her.
This project is self owned and self invested in by the core developers and producers themselves, they are dedicated and hopefully motivated to finishing this project, but they are amateur's and have been WAY to ambitious about what they say they can achieve and have never been truthful about their constant failures so far.
The majority of the people who can't accept this are the clique of guild members and PvP fanatics (like Muffins) that have been seduced and cynically manipulated for years by the developers with whom they think they have a "special relationship" with "because they are PvP gamers like us, and there just making the game they want, just like we want bla bla bla etc etc etc etc."
These are the majority of the people who attack anyone who asks legitimate questions about this project, and these are the people who have helped tarnish this game and its company's reputation and credibility, and these are the people who seem most likely to get invited to visit their offices (strangely enough) , and these are the people I presume who will be invited to "beta test" this game first, like the previous guild beta that never happened.
I hope they now have something alot more substantial to launch with in under 6 months away from a commercial launch.
It isnt the EDITOR that says it might not be release it's the PUBLISHER crap all over again like the developers sayd it will most probably be a downloadable game because the publishers have created some kind of conflict, what do u gain by this wydesight it's the same crap with teedle all over again, it makes me wonder what makes you spend your days posting slander on this foruns...
i assume u were payid by somewone else with an agenda aganst the darkfall project (darkfall developers sayd something relating this a 1 year back) but now i just dont know u might just be some individual thats bored and likes being an ......
wyldesight: and by the way -- Tasos's name is not Tasos Flam"b"ouras. It's Anastasias "Tasos" Flam`p`ouras .
just for the record..
Good luck lol
*shrug*
Why would I care how people spell their names? Richards can be called Dick, Stephens can be called Steve, Alfred's can be called Al.
As for the last name *shrug* I don't speak Norwegian so I don't know. It might be that there are alternative spellings depending on the role or situation.
Interestingly ... that GameWorldGR person used BOTH versions of the name when referring to Tasos.
- There were 2 videos at the greek conference. We've just uploaded the other one. - Yes - Yes - Probably, in the first days of August. Stay tuned - Darkfall received a standing ovation during and after the presentation. Also, many independent programmers spoke with Tasos Flabouras after the meeting, in order to work with Aventurine S.A.
Zorvan: Tasos Flampouras told me to fix a single world about his POSITION in Aventurine. Nothing more, nothing less. All other information provided by GameWorld is correct and Tasos agrees with that as we received a second e-mail to confirm these information.
I wonder what nationality Tasos is. If he is Greek then there could be different ways of converting his Greek alphabet name into the romanised alphabet ... it might also add an additional explanation to move to Athens.
EDIT - According to one of those links you posted Tasos' full name is Anastasios Flampouras and the name Anastasios is Greek.
Before or after they go bankrupt?? What a load of crap this turned out to be. Cam't believe i followed this and actually thought it was comin out 2 years ago.
This is a nice big money laundering operation.. making new companies.. giving out illegal loans to shareholders.
Its quite clear now they are setting up all these companies for tax evasion and money laundering. Why would they keep setting up these businesses? and also working on the biggest revolutionary mmo that promises everything???? Its blataantly obviuos a game of this magnitude needs 24/7 work and the biggest dev team in history, along with some very very very clever planners thinkers and coders.
This is a nice big money laundering operation.. making new companies.. giving out illegal loans to shareholders.
That's hardly likely. Were it a money laundering operation then that womangamers reporter (and the others) would have seen nothing but an empty warehouse. There's no evidence of it being such an operation.
There IS evidence of a game being developed though.
Its quite clear now they are setting up all these companies for tax evasion and money laundering.
I don't see how you can say that. Some unknown investor comes along and ONE new company is set up (Aventurine) to develop and publish Darkfall. Plus, Greece does have lower living costs.
and also working on the biggest revolutionary mmo that promises everything????
I wouldn't say that exactly. In many ways Darkfall is a continuation of UO. The big selling points are the player freedom, the lack of levels, the PvP and the single un-instanced world.
Its blataantly obviuos a game of this magnitude needs 24/7 work and the biggest dev team in history,
Or perhaps a smaller dev team that works for 7 years ;)
along with some very very very clever planners thinkers and coders.
On which point Aventurine struck gold!
These guys are just scammers.
Scammers are people who ask money from you and give you nothing in return. Aventurine has not done that. Tasos is on record in saying that people will get to try Darkfall for free before deciding whether or not to subscribe.
They've never lied, and they have told the truth as far as they know it, I'm sure.
i cant believe this have u payid attention to what you just sayd wildesight, u went from trying to prove it was vaporware to posting slander and lies to insults.
U say u followed it then why turn against it in sutch a harmfull way, please consider waiting a few more months for the game's beta (when the beta starts youtube will overload from so mutch darkfall's gameplay footage)
If the game doesnt enter beta before the year ends ill ... ... ... ... help you kill adventurines staff, ok?
Before or after they go bankrupt?? What a load of crap this turned out to be. Cam't believe i followed this and actually thought it was comin out 2 years ago.
This is a nice big money laundering operation.. making new companies.. giving out illegal loans to shareholders.
Its quite clear now they are setting up all these companies for tax evasion and money laundering. Why would they keep setting up these businesses? and also working on the biggest revolutionary mmo that promises everything???? Its blataantly obviuos a game of this magnitude needs 24/7 work and the biggest dev team in history, along with some very very very clever planners thinkers and coders.
These guys are just scammers.
seey'a
they never mention release 2 years ago they mention release back in 2003/2004
doesn't look that great for DF online. ;o(
I just found this this morning. Someone wrote in to an editor who visited DF back in 2006. they posted her email replies about DF.. she says that DF is self funded by the developers and the current screenshots and engine look similar to what she saw when she was there in 2006. And that they may have funding problems now and that they might end up never releasing it.
http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/thread/188780
a few people emailed her and she confirmed the emails posted are real and from her.
This project is self owned and self invested in by the core developers and producers themselves, they are dedicated and hopefully motivated to finishing this project, but they are amateur's and have been WAY to ambitious about what they say they can achieve and have never been truthful about their constant failures so far.
The majority of the people who can't accept this are the clique of guild members and PvP fanatics (like Muffins) that have been seduced and cynically manipulated for years by the developers with whom they think they have a "special relationship" with "because they are PvP gamers like us, and there just making the game they want, just like we want bla bla bla etc etc etc etc."
These are the majority of the people who attack anyone who asks legitimate questions about this project, and these are the people who have helped tarnish this game and its company's reputation and credibility, and these are the people who seem most likely to get invited to visit their offices (strangely enough) , and these are the people I presume who will be invited to "beta test" this game first, like the previous guild beta that never happened.
I hope they now have something alot more substantial to launch with in under 6 months away from a commercial launch.